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2 O7 ~0 i& [8 n4 c! a posted: fri nov 22, 2002 12:37 am post subject: kＯrean invented chinese language 3 f* m& Z' @0 `2 n
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0 {: M7 X7 w. h6 u chinese histＯrian like to twist the histＯry around, everybody know about it. 2 @# V6 J% h. @: W
u just need to look at the baduk/weiqi intellectual game, kＯrean always easily beat down chinese .if this is really your invention, why chinese done so poＯrly? 7 @/ B% l3 h w
Ａnd look also at the spＯrt, the wＯrld cup, chinese also done very badly if compare to kＯrean.
: |* u! K0 O5 ?& b# {" n in modern technology, kＯrean made products like samsung, lg, hyundai,kia , D* u3 }8 y1 J; W) H2 g9 G
are popular everywhere, where is chinese? " ]- J, E* t/ A6 Q/ [4 o
a population of 1.3 billion can't beat down a small nation with only 40 million , Ｏr 80 million if u want include nＯrth kＯre, but still we done much better than chinese in almost every area.
- C' h) Y- b+ g9 P: e& | the truh is out there, is just depend on you guys weather want to accept it Ｏr not.
3 F+ P i# K2 v! |& m, |! F. s many chinese histＯrian in china also agree that dongyi was kＯrean Ａnd the creatＯr fＯr da'wek kou culture. it was also recoded in shi ji from shima ji.
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7 S+ S9 ]. j' [! F 翻译: 中国的历史学家喜欢歪曲历史,这是谁都知道的事情.! G' m1 a5 l* U x1 L
你只要看一看＂围棋＂这个智力项目,韩国人总是打败中国人.如果它是中国人发明的,那中国人怎么表现总是那么糟糕?世界杯也是同样的例子.
- t5 l* B; R T4 K- { 在现代的技术中,韩国人创造的三星.lg,现代,起亚风靡世界,中国人在哪呢?
, y0 b; r6 O, z# _. }- ]' y* ~; O$ Y/ V 13亿打败不了一个4千万的民族,(如果加上北韩的话是8千万),我们几乎在所有的领域做的都比中国人好.
" P' {. z5 u. f! L1 z7 l 真理就在这儿,不管你们是否接受它.
* r0 V, ^/ F2 R% B; ? 许多中国历史学家也同意东夷是韩国人,并且创造了＂大汶口＂文化......
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5 C' A1 U/ o9 c( W posted: sat nov 23, 2002 4:44 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language + N4 v2 V; W% ^/ t ?
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. f% k) v- {& T+ t another good post that non chinese will able to deny it. ( P d# `2 {( z7 @& u) L) L5 S
r% F: W! A$ a5 u' c during prehistＯry from neolithic to iron age, there were two cultures ) v1 y X& z1 m4 h
in nＯrth-east asaia. in nＯrtheastern part (s siberia, central asia,
) u* I, l2 {, F& i" n- K0 E manchuria, Ａnd also current kＯrean peninsula), nomadic people * E! N4 _# ^5 C, b& V L' v# F
dominated, whereas culture based on agriculture dominated southern
+ m8 i' m: O6 r$ G china. nomadic people mostly spoke in altaic Ｏr other similar % g E# m6 C- ?5 d$ |) ?
languages, while agriculture-based people mostly spoke in
4 S4 @8 \; n- x' e0 n$ K5 \ chinese-tibetan Ｏr proto-austronesian. chinese archaeologists have : w! p# n& S x/ x$ m1 I: f
mostly focused on the latter. together with languages, features of
7 Y7 E, s9 l/ F+ A3 \/ L6 [) f; Y bronze weaspons Ｏr tomb styles were clearly distinctive between the - v. d2 L" h. i- @* h
two. ultimately, climate changes to dry/cold conditions drove the / ? x# u* U, J# o! @
nomadic people to the south (kＯreans Ａnd japanese) Ａnd to the west 1 O% i; B" M7 q! D0 d
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, ^$ w/ D* b* g! A it is also quite certain that the nomadic people in nＯrthern china Ａnd
+ a! p9 x4 J' }0 e southern siberia firstly cultivated allium altaicum, the progenitＯr of
. P$ N" k3 } c# V1 B' {( g/ k allium fistulosum, Ａnd allium sativum, the progenitＯr of allium
7 m3 q& Z" E4 j8 z6 L: M# O& k longicuspis. " a! H6 d0 e. q% R ?
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with respect to various writing systems developed during the bronze
! X8 k( d) M/ {1 v* G age Ａnd/Ｏr during shang state, one thing is certain: writing systems $ x! G3 [) ?4 a F2 r8 {& `
came from the east (altaic/nomadic people), not from the west Ｏr the # S/ _: @: }: k" r' S" b. D" }
south. it is quite certain that people lived in the east were not han
: s1 N) p) ~# H, m4 e Ｏr hua people. do you know who published the first chinese dictionary
- N* t C+ Z+ w* x% N: m in histＯry? it is quite interesting that people speaking in altaic, 1 X6 ~) `& r$ ?6 T% C) i
not chinese-tibetan, published it. what kind of spoken language did # p1 E& _3 W4 K& a
yin/shang people use? this will be a quite good question fＯr your
" w# M0 K+ u: V: G0 ]6 \ explＯration into the ultimate inventＯr of current chinese characters.
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翻译: 在新石器时代到铁器时代的史前文明中,在东北亚有两种文明.在东北亚地区(西伯力亚/中亚/满州以及现在的朝鲜半岛),游牧民族居于统治地位,而农耕文明在中国南部居于统治地位.游牧民族大部分都说阿尔泰以及相似的语系,而农耕文明大部分说汉藏语系.中国考古学家大部分都集中研究后者.而两种语言,青铜器的样子和墓制的样式完全不一样,而又干又冷的天气环境让游牧民族进入了南部.6 l0 c( E; ~! g M
非常肯定的事情是,北中国和南西泊力亚培育了__(此处不知怎么翻译),____的祖先/6 [0 d7 [: `% e' G% N1 D
在青铜器时代或者商代发展了不同的书写系统,有一件事可以非常确定---书写系统来自东部(阿尔泰/游牧民族),而不是西部和南部.还可以确定的是,东部的人不是汉族.你知道历史上谁出版了第一本汉字字典吗?非常有趣的事是这是说阿尔泰语的人做的而不是说汉藏语系的人做的.殷商时代的人使用的何种语言?这对你们研究谁是汉字的发明者是个非常好的问题.* `5 v3 a1 C2 c- i
i think all anyone can say is that ＂kＯrean made mＯre contribution to the , Z/ g& @. B9 S) Q S* ~ g
development of what is known as chinese language than currently 9 K8 Z% I6 M+ M
acknowledged＂. wＯrkings of business, economy, technology, trade, Ａnd 5 g: @( v% H2 z9 \4 ~
commerce are the same today as they were 5000 years ago. what drives + C% _) J# V1 U' U' W+ O8 C
linguistic development in today's wＯrld? well, it's computer. you don't 9 O$ f" [! E& `. s, B; B B
need as much language to grow plant Ｏr raise animals. in other wＯrds, it
1 j, F0 F5 h% \ is technology which drives language, not agriculture. so, technology in 5 X Z4 d7 c5 ~
the old days were ceramics Ａnd casting technology, which kＯrea was Ａnd ! e8 I8 O; Y9 I; k0 @7 M" I
still is wＯrld leader. ( m' o0 t# z# i6 h
9 v$ Z. v6 F7 F2 F 翻译: 我认为任何人都可以这么说---韩国人对大家所认知的汉字发展贡献更大.商业/经济/技术/贸易和5千年前一样,是什么么语言发展了当今世界?是计算机.你不会用语言去种养植物以及饲养动物,换句话说,是从语言中发展而来的技术,而不是农业.所以,在古代,技术就是制陶业和锻造业,而这些技术韩国一直是世界的先驱.
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............................chinese invented Ａnd created their own language. posting by peter is totally crap Ａnd ridiculous, the person trying to make a confusion here actually. ]+~
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# d2 u0 S- O5 \! ?7 h0 {( B5 ^ 翻译: 跟贴者说中国人发明了他们自己的语言,楼主在这里胡言乱语,混淆是非.
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又有一个韩国白痴对跟贴反对者的反驳:
( [8 d7 x/ i0 _ 我的天哪,中国人居然对他们的历史是这样的无知,中国人根本没有创造自己的语言,他们不得不用其他原住民的书写系统,然后,他们说那是他们自己的.因为自卑的原因,他们说他们发明了自己的语言.所以楼主是正确的,是其他人而不是中国人发明了自己的语言,这些中国人应该回头看看自己的历史,就像我一样,我对中国的历史了解的比他们自己更清楚,那些中国人是一些种族中心论者,楼主,你是对的.....% A& A! Q8 n- q; c5 ~/ B. e
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